/int/ - International

>>28312 We like to think of biological sex as a binary because that is what makes logical sense and is easy for us to understand. And it is mostly correct but not entirely. Sex is a spectrum in the sense that everyone generally has two chromosomes, either X or Y. Some people have XX, some people have XY. However, people can also have XXX, or XXY, or XYY. The X chromosome is also much larger than the Y chromosome, and contains the information required to create a woman. The Y chromosome, in comparison, is tiny, and contains only the information to transform a woman into a man. These chromosomes contain DNA, which can say anything and are very mutable. However, none of that makes sense from a logical perspective. Who in their right mind would design a binary system like that? Anyone with a brain would know the logically system would be to have one X or one Y, and X is female while Y is male. The only explanation is that it came into being gradually, from single sex organisms, and isnt designed well for that reason. As far as gender goes, that's a cultural question. It doesn't affect me either way, however I also don't think people should be able to bend rules because they want to and expect people to accommodate. Rules exist to benefit the people in charge.

Sex is biological and scientific. Gender is humanities and therefor "science".

>>31213 Both are quite rare, but Chapelle syndrome and CAIS among others cause XX males or XY females.

>>31257 Ooo Chapelle syndrome is weird. I mean, CAIS is weird too, but it is simple. The body doesn't react to androgens properly, so the body doesn't transform from female to male, despite having an X and Y chromosome. Chapelle syndrome is some of the father's y chromosome DNA getting passed to a daughter, making the daughter appear male, despite being XX. DNA is weird like that and can just copy other DNA, hence why viruses are so prevalent.

>>28061 >In her essay, Fulnecky argued that traditional gender roles should not be considered stereotypes. She cited the Bible to support her stance that eliminating gender in society would be "detrimental" because that would put people "farther from God's original plan for humans." Based and correct. >I'll let you guess, Bernd, is this in support of the Christian woman who thinks her beliefs belong in a scientific essay or does this criticise the woman? >It's from the organisation that blew this up in support of the religious fanatic. Oh, it's YOU again. Lol.

>>28063 >an article about how people are perceived based on societal expectations of gender >"Scientific paper" I wonder if you realise how obvious you are, cuckold.

>>28074 >It's not funny to larp as an idiot anymore Apparently you're not LARPing.

>>31213 It's interesting, but ultimately just a proxy argument. People don't like especially mtf because it physically disgusts them, and activates their instinct to protect women. ftm get less hate, but opposition for likewise quite a simple reason of that people like when women are attractive and not when they make themselves unattractive.

>>28084 >Hinduism and Buddhism don't really The shit you practice at your yoga pilates courses with other "girls" has nothing to do with real Hinduism or Buddhism, cuckold.

>>31213 >Sex is a spectrum >However, people can also have XXX, or XXY, or XYY That's still either a male or a female, you absolute brainwashed retard.

>>31218 >Gender is humanities Gender is linguistics and linguistics only. Any use of the term "gender" outside of the field of linguistics is brainwahsed subhuman liberal cuckold behaviour.

>>31368 What is that supposed to mean?

>>31369 It means that there are only two chemical elements. All other "elements" are just mental illnesses.

>>31373 Are elements and mental conditions the same? Or do elements have mental conditions? Do you think they can get mental conditions?

>>31369 It means that THAT obvious liberal feminist cuckold is triggered again.

>>31374 It's just a joke how two elements make up the vast majority of matter in the universe. Some people say that there are only two sexes/genders because male (46XY) and female (46XX) make up the vast majority of people. There's also one with screws with Philips and flathead being real screws and torx, hex etc. are labelled as mental illnesses. >>31375 Apparently, in 2025, posting a meme means you're triggered, but writing in CAPITAL LETTERS and calling names means you're calm and collected.

>>31397 >posting a meme You're not fooling anyone, clown. >Some people say that there are only two sexes Lol.

>>31397 But do you believe that a hydrogen gen atom that identifies as a different atom then can become that atom? And that their are spectrums of this?

>>31405 I don't relieve that hydrogen atoms can identify as anything since I don't think they're conscious. Also, this meme is about intersexuals, not transgenders. Just like most of this thread. Thanks for attending my ted talk "explaining your jokes like Spede Pasanen"

>>31406 How many intersex genders do you think their are?

>>31409 This Germanball posted a nice overview: >>31257

>>31410 That lists conditions but how many genders do you think there are?

>>31339 Only because you are trying to force a binary system on something that isn't binary. Let's use Chapelle syndrome and CAIS as an example as those cases are interesting. How do you call a person who has XX chromosomes but looks physically male confidently male or female? Or an individual who has XY chromosomes who looks physically female? The immortal test of having a doctor look at a baby and pick the gender simply does not work in these cases. That is how biology is. Sex is not binary. There are cases outside of XX and XY that can happen. Anything can change the DNA. It's stupid. Like I said before, anyone with a brain would have made chromosome, X or Y, with instructions for each that cannot be changed. That makes logical sense. Instead we have this wonky two chromosome system with DNA that can mutate wildly. A lot of variation can happen.

>>31411 I'm a STEMlord. Gender is a cultural phenomenon, so for details, better ask someone with a background in the humanities. I don't know if the answer to your question is considered to depend on a region, or if your question implies a broad overview over all cultures. I know some cultures have explicit genders beyond male and female, but I don't know the details. You'd have no benefit if I googled the details for you over googling yourself.

>>31413 You posted the image not me. How many sexes do you think their are?

>>31415 First of all, it's "there are". I don't generally like to grammar-nazi, but you did it multiple times and it tickles my autism the wrong way. "Their" is a possessive adjective. As in "Their parents were siblings". Second of all, re-read the image. Nowhere it says "I am going to give you an exact number of genders". So I don't understand your logic there.

>>31416 But in order to make a comparison between genders and elements we have to work these details out. An Element is something able to be defined and counted. Yes of course we don't know all the kinds fo elements but we can say that we know of 118. How many sexes do we know of?

>>31418 Nowhere in the meme did it imply countability. >>31257 implies it's a spectrum rather than a discrete, countable set. But if you must count, you can start in that figure. I've seen it before, it was from a scientific publication several years back, so it's probably not a bad starting point.

>>31421 Did you post that image and were their elements mentioned in that image? I am referring to the one you posted that has elements. >>31368

>>31412 >That is how biology is. Sex is not binary. There are cases outside of XX and XY that can happen. Anything can change the DNA. And each of those "cases" makes reproduction difficult or impossible. Your argument makes as much sense as saying that people don't have two legs because some people are born with one or none at all.

>>31425 There is a scientific word for what you are describing. It's phenotype. A zebra can look like anything, have any number of legs, or heads, or stripes, or anything else because DNA is mutable. However, it's phenotype is the set of the observed traits in an organism. Most zebras phenotypically have four legs, one head, and stripes. However, the example I gave is still messed up because you have people that are phenotypically make with two x chromosomes and phenotypically female with an x and y chromosome.

>>31431 u r just capitalizing on birth defects for ideological reasons. its a very cute verbal trick

>>31431 What exactly prevents you from classifying certain variations as pathological?

>>31433 You're the one who's bringing ideology in a biological debate. >>31436 That wouldn't stop them from existing. It's like saying "humans have exactly 10 fingers, everything else is a pathology". There are still people with other numbers of fingers, like it or not.

>>31443 So do intersex people exist outside of the binary, in a mythical fairyland where infinite sexes procreate in an infinite number of ways, or are they pathological conditions that affect a healthy binary system?

>>31444 If you think that binary means that 99% are either one or another and 1% are something completely different, I'm sure glad you don't work with computers. Your computer won't work if binary is mostly 0 or 1, but sometimes it's 0.3 or 0.9.

>>31445 Does that mean I should ask my PC's pronouns?

>>31446 What cheap non-sequitur Kohlchan-tier joke is this? You can do better, Bernd. Disagree with me, point out logical flaws in my comments, but don't disrespect me and the board like this.

>>31448 I was giving you a way out of a nonsensical, far fetched analogy. You are free to continue explaining how chromosomes are comparable to semiconductors if you wish.

>>31449 Nothing I said was about silicon in particular. It's about the concept of a binary system. A system with 0 and 1 is binary. A system with XX and XY is binary. A system with XX, X, XY, XXY etc. is not. It's as easy as counting to two.

>>31450 How is it a system if XXY, XXY etc can't procreate, or have associated pathologies? Isn't it a lot easier and more logical to consider those defects? now you will say that Bernd doesn't procreate either heh heh I always assume whoever insists on this line of arguing is trying to pass off a moral argument under the guise of soyence, tbh.

>>31452 >now you will say that Bernd doesn't procreate either Now, you get it. But also, infertility doesn't mean someone exists. Not only are children unable to procreate, but so are women above a certain age and some men and women always. Saying sex is binary is the same as saying all humans are fertile.

>>31450 It's not even that. A system with 0 and 1 is a superior binary system to XX and XY because, while they portray the same thing, the Y is dependent on the X. Which is why you have things to one X, XX, XY, XXY, XYY, XX but appears male, XY but appears female, etc. A 0 1 or X Y system can't do most of those things and is more stable.

>>31469 Things like one x, X

>>31455 But sex that doesn't reproduce is not a sex at all, same as a theoretical computer that doesn't compute anything at all.

>>31474 Well, every group of organisms has to reproduce, otherwise it can't replace itself. However, there are certainly organisms with sexes that can't reproduce. A good example being colonial insects such as ants. Ants have queens and drones which can reproduce, but they have a range of other types like soldiers and workers which can't.

>>31482 Ok, but I think it's pretty obvious that's not the case for humans.

I'm really looking forward to the day the Y chromosome disappears. Contrary to popular belief it only has less than 50 active genes on it anymore and keeps deteriorating. Some mammals already only have XX genes anymore, regardless if male or female.

>>31498 It is the case for humans because we have the same wonky code structure for gender. Ants are different in the sense that unfertilized eggs become one X ants, which are male, while fertilized eggs become XX ants which are female. Workers and queens are considered female, while drones are considered male. As you can see, there is no way anyone with a brain would have implemented a gender system like this. It is wonky. They would have one chromosome, Q for Queen, D for Drone, and W for worker. Not XX (Queen or Worker) or X (Drone). The XX XY system is just as wonky. That is why we have all these weird cases like XXX XXY XYY etc etc. Because it was poorly designed, or rather, it was designed to allow and encourage variation.