/int/ - International

>>6913 > Kids can drag you down. Yes, but they usually are a source of fullfilment. > Long terms goals and plans Honestly, just the typical monetary shit. Saving up for retirement / investing, making sure my significant other is safe should someone happen to me, house, cars, hobbies, etc. But at the end of it, it's kinda pointless, since everything ends with us, and there's simply no one to inherit any of our stuff. I hate the idea to give it to the government and then have that redistributed to some Klimersörgels or worse -- such as Ärzte and Ingeneure from North Africa and the middle East...

>>7394 Buy your own washing machine... They don't cost much.

>>7398 where would I put it?

One time, someone took my wet laundry out of the dryer to dry their own clothes. So, I put their laundry back in the washing machine in a "rinse only" program and put my laundry in my apartment for fear of further escalation.

>>7400 In a 1x1x1 metre space.

>>7402 With a fresh water and a drainage pipe behind it and space in front of it, ideally in a room with a drain on the floor in case of a malfunction. My apartment doesn't have that.

>>7401 You're one evil motherfucker

>>7403 Don't Europeans put them in the kitchen?

>>7405 Some do, some don’t, but I have it in the kitchen

>>7405 Europe is a quite diverse continent. In Switzerland, communal laundry rooms "washing kitchens" in the basement are common.

>>7407 Sound's rather bolshy to me.

>>7408 I don't understand. My dictionary tells me that bolshy means rude. How can a room be rude?

>>7409 Bolshevik. ie it sounds like communism.

>>7410 Buying a washing machine you use every 2 weeks for 3 hours sounds incredibly wasteful.

>>7411 It's actually quite convenient. I can do it whenever I want and I don't have to travel and I can do other things at the same time.

And I don't have to come in contact with poor people.

>>7412 We don't consider walking down 2 flights of stairs "travelling" and the people who live in the same house as you commonly have a similar level of wealth as you. So you only meet poor people if you're poor yourself, at which point you'd be a hypocrite to complain about that.

>>7416 It's travelling compared to not leaving the house. If you lived in a house with rich people they would have their own maids to wash there cloths let alone washing machines... And also, I can hate poor people even if I am poor myself.

>>7417 >And also, I can hate poor people even if I am poor myself. Seconded, but rich ones are equally dumb assholes. Just hate everybody.

>>7420 Statistically untrue.

>>7417 >It's travelling compared to not leaving the house. Maybe I wasn't clear, but the washing kitchen is inside the house. At most you see your neighbours in the hallway. You just mumble "grüezi" and that's it. >If you lived in a house with rich people they would have their own maids to wash there cloths let alone washing machines... I don't live with people that rich, but also if I did, I'd have my own maid and the whole debate would be moot.

>>7422 SO you mean apartment building not house I think? You will have to leave your apparent to go and wash your cloths. Exactly, you live with poor people that can't afford washing machines or maids.

>>7421 Care to demonstrate? >inb4 IQ test scores >>7420 Most people are retarded thoughtless cattle running on auto mode, but that doesn't mean everyone belonging to a specific wealth group is dumb or smart. I'd say the middle class are the dumbest, actually. Either evil or lucky aloof geniuses do exist among the wealthy, albeit extremely rare; it's more common to find a truly intelligent person among the really poor, even if perhaps grossly undereducated, reason they might appear less intelligent to you. >>5244 Trying to get a job in tech. I'm studying CS in uni and as everyone keeps saying: finding jobs is supposed to be very easy in the last few terms before graduating but if you graduate without relevant experience it's near impossible. But of course, even if I wasn't autistic as fuck, the job market right now is in shambles due to the AI craze. I do have a job but it's total BS and also legally I don't actually have a job. Also doesn't help that I'm pushing on 30.

>>7514 What else would you use other than IQ? Or the fact that people who are smarter will obviously do better in life on average and so make more money.

>>7515 It's people who are more social and who have 'people skills' who do better, not necessarily the smartest ones.

>>7529 There are many traits that can assist people but somebody who is smart and social will do better than somebody who is just social. But also there are many people who achieve a lot while being quite anti-social, because they are focused on their work and ambitions and not on going out and socialising.

>>7529 >>7530 It's not just people who are more social, but who fall into a specific demographic. It's been widely known by now that IQ tests have strong cultural and personality-based biases. If you have ever taken a test or seen questions in those tests it slowly becomes more evident. The biggest issue is that this isn't just your standard test where you answer and it's either right or wrong; but someone else, maybe many people, maybe not, looks at your answers and gives you an arbitrary score based on their own opinion. But not only that, in many cases and specially wealthy people will spend money on a test to assure them that they're smart, oftentimes the people with strong financial ties to the institution. Combine that with the previous point and now you see there's a clear conflict of interests. Would you like the test if it came out and they called you an idiot? If you were one of the people who invests in that company or donates to that organization, would you keep doing so? Most people have fragile egos, and rich people, as a normal consequence of their social situation, even more so. And finally, just look at yourself. Do you think you are the same level of intelligent every day at every hour? Do you not have times where you think, do or say a thing and then question yourself? Don't you have days when things just don't seem to come out right and nothing makes sense, and then other days when everything seems so simple? Obviously intelligence fluctuates. So it's a really hard sell to say that you can just sit down at a time and a place within a specific context and you're going to get a an accurate score. But rich people have another problem. Even if they're smart or are born smart or are taught to appear smart... they dumb themselves down over time as they wield the power that money and status gives them. They use money or threats to avoid having to think about stuff and they become accustomed to just not using their brains much.>>7530

>>7669 I agree it has issues but it's the best test we have. Rich people don't get dumbed down by being rich... It obviously takes more brain power to manage a company than it does to flip hamburgers. And I don't think intelligence is changeable to a serious degree anyway. Yes, on different days people might be smarter and such but it would be all within a certain range. People aren't going to be intelligence and then become stupid because they took a vacation for a year or something.

>>7673 >It obviously takes more brain power to manage a company than it does to flip hamburgers. Two problems with that. 1. Rich people pay others to manage their company, or, if they're rich enough, "manage" their company while paying or using their position to threaten other people into fixing or at least taking the blame for their constant fuckups, then they lie so much and with such conviction that they start living that lie; suddenly, they don't have to actually think anything through, if they have an idea they just demand that idea be realized and when it doesn't work or can't be fulfilled or creates more problems they just tell themselves it's not their fault and demand as well it be fixed. For example: I had a boss once who would regularly spend more money bribing lawyers to avoid paying taxes than what it would've taken to just pay an accountant and the taxes properly. And he's not the worst, nor the richest, I've worked for or met. But more often than not the richest will literally just pay someone else, often multiple people, to make all the important decisions while they are nothing more than a figurehead who also takes home the biggest check home (those are actually the smart ones, even if they'll act dumb when confronted). 2. people who flip burgers don't use their entire brainpower to do their burger flipping job. Like the taxes guy? He has literally no hobbies, no interests, and no topics of conversation besides whats most immediately relevant to the goings on of his business. Except for rich people gossip, what's needed for him to network for the promotion of his business. And even other rich people hate him because he has nothing to bring to a social interaction except promoting his business. Burger flipper guy might as least have 1 other thing going on in his life. >People aren't going to be intelligence and then become stupid because they took a vacation for a year No, but people are going to act stupider if they're, for example, nervous or anxious, if they haven't slept well, If something upsetting happened to them that morning, if they're ill or hungry, or not interested in the test, etc. And sure, maybe you don't feel like these or any other number of things could affect IQ test scores significantly, but how could you know? > it's the best test we have. The best... but for what, exactly? For giving you a number with no real meaning that you can make fun graphs with, yeah. For actually telling how smart people are, specially to find trends in populations? nah. Only one curious trend I find in IQ is that people who care a lot and claim to trust IQ tests more tend to be conservative older demographics, yet these same people also complain about how all young people are ignorant imbecilic retards for generally disagreeing with them on social and political issues or having different interests and skills. Yet the real trend in IQ is that younger people consistently score higher with each passing generation.

>>7680 >1 That's the difference between an owner and a boss. I have no problem with bosses making more, as long as the ratio is a reasonable amount. They do have more responsibilities and do other things. Owners, i.e. "my grandfather founded this company 100 years ago so i deserve the biggest cut" are a cancer in society. From a market perspective, they are a liability to the company and from a fairness perspective, they do nothing so they should also get nothing. >>7669 I once did an IQ test as a kid and one of the questions was to find as many advantages of a soft-cover book over a hard-cover book. Good luck for children from families with no books. I only remember that i answered price and weight, which were directly from my own experience. My parents let me choose a book for up to 10 bucks. If the hardcover is 11, i might get the soft cover for 9. And from carrying books to school, I knew to appreciate the lightweight ones. Does it make me more intelligent that my parents had the money and education/interest to buy me books? Probably yes to a fucked-up degree, but that's not what should be tested in my opinion. Otherwise they could just test the income of my parents and make that part of the test as well. I would've failed the question about advantages of smaller boats for example. My parents don't own a boat and i never will. A rich kid might have overheard the parents talk about boat parking fees rising for long boats or some shit. Or maybe you need fewer staff to drive the boat around. I think IQ tests should test the performance in completely new circumstances. Nothing where growing up in a particular class is an advantage or disadvantage.

Having to live with Niggers.

>>7683 Ok, you're talking about how the job of a boss is to manage people and tell them what to do. But that's not the whole story: bosses have to manage people and resources, and they have to keep tabs on everything in order to have all the info to make the best decisions and figure out solutions when things go wrong. Yet, many bosses -whether they're the owners themselves or not- don't do even this; they just yell at other people to fix their mistakes because they don't know what's going on. Some might not even actually make any decisions at all, instead telling their subordinates to make them themselves, and only take credit if things actually work out. Hell, even if things work out fine they might still get mad if it's not the way they suddenly claim they envisioned all along. Just like there's the "my dad built this company so I get a million bucks for existing" there's the "my dad or my friend's dad or my dad's friend built this company, so I get the 10k bucks manager position in this tech firm straight out of graduating from architecture" Like I'm glad you've never had bad bosses like that, but in many places this is the norm.

>>5336 Wife is 41. We both accepted our lives being childless, but we also feel the regrets. I'm honestly fine interacting with kids of different ages, I have no problem with that, and over the last ten years or so, I've seen parenting isn't actually as horrible as many Bernds make it out to be. It's just that I had pretty much the same sorta fears and presuppositions many Bernds in here have towards kids and parenting. Over the years I was the Unc that took care of friend's kids, etc. sometimes take care of them for a couple days while parents were away on a get together, etc. It's not parenting per-se, but as I said, I realized it would've been totally doable. The idea of the German school system and the school environment, however is that one thing that makes me think it's not all that bad, that I don't have kids. I've seen my friends going through hoops and tribulations finding the right school for their kids, taking a bajillion things into account so they're not in a leftits, nafri and nazi infested school, etc. >>5332 Our combined income is just over 325k Euros. We're set up pretty well in terms of retirement, etc. We did the correct management in terms of the company I have, and things like assets, etc. t. that childless Bernd

>>5244 That the country and society have no future, so that everything is senseless and futile.

>>7407 >In Switzerland, communal laundry rooms "washing kitchens" in the basement are common. In the GDR this has been also very common.

>>7849 it was too in west-germoney. my mom and their mom has such wash-kitchens in the cellar of their appartments sames for roof floor where laundry was dried

Lack of housing. I'm living in my sister's spare room right now but it's very small. Too small for a bed even, I just have a lounge and a bedside table to put my PC monitor on. It's not actually a terrible set up, it's quite comfy but means I am further away from the monitor. I tried to play Touhou today but I couldn't because I am too far away so it's hard to make out the bullets as well and I keep getting hit. Oh well...

Choosing to do a PhD. I am in my final year now and have a Bernadette in the same position. But I feel that we will never be able to have a normal life due to the job market even though our shared experience in this field has made us perfect company for one another.

>>7848 I find it's best to just accept it and live for yourself. Society isn't beautiful but the world is.

I bought a chair in pleather and, after thinking about it for a few days, I changed my mind and decided the fabric version would be better. So I went back to the shop and the fabric one was sold out. So now I guess I should just assemble the pleather chair.

>>7856 Is it a PhD in social anthropology?

>>7863 No, we both do classics

>>7864 What’s classics?

>>7865 I study Greek literature, she Latin.

>>7866 at least you studied something interesting I guess you'll have to get jobs at a thinktank or something

>>7866 That’s pretty cool. I guess, you also speak Latin? Or can you study Ancient Greek without learning it?

>>7866 I don't know anyone who studied Greek or Latin, but people who studied things you get made fun of on /pol/. They have the wildest spread of jobs. From something like bartending to managing in companies and government offices in different fields. Also, changing to computer science seems to be quite popular. The higher you switch. The easier it gets. You won't be able to compete with young programmers, but you can learn to manage a software engineering project if you have a talent for that.

>>7871 Friend of mine has a doctorate in medieval history. He now manages social media for some pharma company.

>>7867 Probably... >>7870 We both can read Greek and Latin, just each of us better in our own favoured languages. I should think you could learn either on your own, but it is far easier with a good teacher. I had an retired lecturer who taught me when I was a teenager, I repaid him with tech support >>7871 I don't think one should care about their opinions very much, very fleshly types. I was pleased to see kc returned as I missed the serious discussions. Both of us got funding at our colleges, and have good relationships with senior academics in other places. But the university sector is collapsing unfortunately. I don't know either of us would like IT very much but needs must I suppose >>7872 Doesn't sound so bad. Better than being an office drone I guess

>>7857 >I find it's best to just accept it and live for yourself. Society isn't beautiful but the world is. This is just the only way that's left and Bernd is doing. But that's just not very fulfilling.