/int/ - International

Brits would rather kill other whites than focus on Pakistani rape gangs and jihadist cells operating in their own country.

This white/non-white concept is an american thing. We would consider ukrainians european. Only leftists in the germany copy this white/non-white concept for their race ideology like PoC and other american concepts.

Ukrainians are probably the best immigrants we got in the last three decades.

>>17849 This

>>17803 I've never seen a brown Ukrainian.

You must understand that whiteness isn't really a concept outside of America. We aren't limited by the colour of one's skin in our racism. Germans, Italians, French can all have the same skin colour as Swiss and be discriminated against. Yugos and Albanians have basically the same skin colour as the Swiss, but they're clearly seen as inferior by many.

>>17852 >You must understand that whiteness isn't really a concept outside of America Not true at all. It's a concept that arises and wanes dependent on exposure to other races. A Lithuanian in an all-Lithuanian village doesn't conceptualize himself as white in any meaningful sense unless he's extremely online, but a Frenchman walking through a colorful banlieu certainly does. And "white" and "black" is not even historically exclusive to Europeans. Because those are very intuitive categorizations when you have dark-skinned and light-skinned populations in close proximity. So you can find examples of Romans and Persians (pic related, quote source is Muhammad and the Origins of Islam) independently using them, over a thousand years before the United States existed. The only Europe in which this concept is irrelevant is one without noticeable numbers of swarthy non-European populations living in it. Or do you think when Napoleon stated >I am for the whites because I am white; I have no other reason, and that one is good. In relation to Haiti, he was absorbing American media?

>>17851 No Ukrainian ever called me a cracker.

Ukrainians are Slavs.

>>17856 Doesn't change the fact that being white doesn't mean you aren't a rightful target for racial discrimination. I don't want Yugos or bydloslavs or kikes here.

>>17803 >Are Ukrainians considered white in your country? "Whiteness" is an american concept that you're all only concerned about because you're a mutt melting pot of rootless cosmopolitan materialists without the sense of belonging. Thus you cling to the ethereal concept of "whiteness", while such a thought never crosses the mind of any European. We're not "white", we're Germans, English, Swedish, Russian, Spanish, Irish, Hungarian, Italian, and so on. >In America? Yes. Wrong. https://www.coalitioncommunitiescolor.org/research-and-publications/the-slavic-community-in-multnomah-county-an-unsettling-profile

>>17902 Europe is more about culture and language. In that regard is a white American closer to a black American than any mainland European.

>>17903 Precisely.

>>17903 What about Australia? Are we white? We are in Eurovision so we must be.

Please stop kohlposting. Also, the answer is yes. >>17803 Being young hot bitches is of course a plus and they are the best in a long time. But I can still feel that they come from a more corrupt, lower trust society than ours.

>>17888 >Europeans adopt a collectivist identity when faced with non-European populations <Intra-European ethnic differences remain salient in a way that they generally aren't (anymore) in the US These are two perfectly compatible statements, so that has little relevance to my post. In any case, whatever your particular feelings on Slavs and Jews, it's a fact that this sort of animus loses relevance as a country faces 'diversificiation'. A clear example of this is how Poles were a frequent subject of UK anti-immigrant discussions over a decade ago and now you almost never hear about them, despite their presence not meaningfully decreasing. It's Pakis, Pakis, Pakis, Muslims, Africans, at times Indians, etc. The overall lesson here is that if you don't want to end up with American-style racial politics dominating in your country, you should do everything to avoid transforming your country's ethnic demographics into resembling America's. Then you can have intra-European hatreds remain the predominant focus, as was the norm for the previous century. That is not the direction Europe is so far headed in, though.

>>17803 They're also considered Russians. >>17856 This. Everyone is capable of noticing skin color, Americans just do to it more often, because there are a lot of Black people in US and their socio-demographic status differs greatly (former slaves), so it's very important for them.

>>17903 >Any mainland european I find that Western European culture is pretty accessible. I run into English, Irish, French, Spanish, Portuguese, and, if you and them speak the same language, they are all easy to understand and relate to. There are differences of course, but the facial expressions, reactions, and emotions are all the same Scandinavians, Germanics, and central European are mostly easy to understand but they react differently. Something that might be normal will get them upset or vice versa. Eastern Europeans are very different. I talk with them and I have no idea if they like me or hate me or want me to go away or what. This includes Finns, the ones I have met have been very nice but their facial expressions are so different.

>>17904 There is no joint European identity. I can feel some connection to Belarusians or someone from Eastern Germany as I come from the borderlands, but Italians or Portuguese are as alien to me as Americans.

>>18090 >Everyone is capable of noticing skin color, Americans just do to it more often, because there are a lot of Black people in US and their socio-demographic status differs greatly (former slaves), so it's very important for them. Right, which makes the whole smug European pretense of how we "don't see race/whiteness" exhibited in this thread retarded. Europeans have always seen race. What IS true is that it had never been the primary basis of our identity, but that's because Europe has for most of its existence been supermajority European. This made other European ethnic or religious groups the most conspicuous and relevant outgroups, the primary causes of friction, and thus the primary recipients of ire. Americans didn't have that privilege as a result of the colonists' catastrophic decision to import slave labor in the 17th and 18th centuries. It's wholly based on our differences in historical experience. If the entirety of Europe had a dysfunctional underclass of sub-Saharan Africans for 3 centuries constituting >10% of the population that it somehow put up with, the concept of whiteness would be every bit as relevant here as it is there. And right now, European leaders are very much committed to importing a comparable non-European racial underclass. So we're getting it this century anyway. Oops! It's also easily disprovable with a quick search. Here you have the head of the main French anti-immigration party (commanding ~34% of the votes in the first round of the French Presidential election according to the most recent polls) discussing the problem of anti-White (not anti-French) racism, and separately the favored candidate for the next UK Prime Minister discussing "minority White" British cities as a problem. Funny how this "purely American" concept finds such mainstream recognition in the two European countries with the biggest proportion of non-Europeans. Almost as if not assigning importance to race is dependent on there not being much of other races around in the first place! Don't ask Euro Bernds to draw this connection, though!

White - yes, German - no. Don't hate them and they're generally well behaved. >>17852 This actually. Americans like to look at Europe and assume all whites are one big happy family, and nothing could be further from the truth.

>>18125 >European pretense of how we "don't see race/whiteness" We absolutely do, we discriminate against other whites based on minor pheno/language/culture differences. Americans cannot understand this unless you bring up Irishmen, and then they still don't understand it. What's funny about it is that "all conflict is primarily about race" a bipartisan view in the US, and it'll manifest on the left as "anti white racism does not exist" and on the right as "why are those two slavic countries warring each other I thought the only war you could have was race war".

>>18132 I would say that the biggest difference is that the European racial castes don't exist in the United States, the United States has its own racial hierarchy. So when a, say, German talks about all the different types of Germans and their stereotypes and gypsies and Jews and Dutch and Swiss and Austrians and the Danes and Poles and Czechs and Italians, an American doesn't know what those associations are necessarily. However when those groups immigrated to the United States in large numbers they were absolutely discriminated against and treated differently and looked on as foreign and strange looking... As long as they were in a group. The United States has its own racial hierarchy but it's hard to translate on an international scale because it really just applies to the US. An example being in Louisiana there are Creoles and Cajuns and they are both French speaking but Creoles came from France and Cajuns came from Canada. There are a large amount of stereotypes and whatnot between the two castes. But it cannot be translated internationally because it only applies to Louisiana. Same with the European view on race/nationality.