/int/ - International

Would you rather be in a fist fight or a knife fight?

Are these leftists in the room with us? Maybe try asking on /pol/ and see if someone there cares about your made-up scenarios.

>>31457 the pathological hatred of self defence extends beyond banning tools

They are very much for "defending yourself" if you are part of the categories they deem oppressed, see the pro-Palestine movement.

>>31456 Is that really the case? Sounds like a strawman to me, tbh. The idea that you should just walk away or call the cops if someone wants to mug or beat you up is more of a liberal stance than a leftist one.

>>31466 hmmm i think that just makes them more contradictory to support terrorism like ANC but want one some one in prison if they use violence to defend themself. i think its their anger at violence, even in self defence, due to school systems moves towards zero tolerance for corporal punishment or boys fighting. they will also do things like ban hunting but still eat meat, but maybe it is some kind of mental framing where the aggressor is an oppressed criminal like palestine and the defender privileged

>>31467 stand your ground laws are, premised on a rights based conception of self-defence—specifically, the right of the defender to autonomy and dignity. It is viewed through the lens of excuse rather than justification leftist critics of stand your ground laws point out that they subordinate the most fundamental right of human life to less important values, and increase validated legal defences in black on white crime. im sure the leftist that left this thread in anger would agree there should always be a duty to retreat and would even advocate imprisonment for people that defend themselves in places where stand your ground laws are in place

>>31468 >maybe it is some kind of mental framing where the aggressor is an oppressed criminal like palestine and the defender privileged That's all it is. If you are poor, you are right by default because you are oppressed. If you weren't oppressed you wouldn't have committed any violence, hence it's not your fault. Vice versa, if you defend yourself against an attacker which is poorer, then you are the fascist oppressor. Usually what you see in the media is more about race than social class, but that's because they even explain racism economically. Somehow whitey benefits from keeping blacks poor, and that's why they think the racism game keeps going on.

>>31467 When faced with real life violence, most people are very quick to comply. This applies to anyone of any political orientation. It's one thing to say you'll go pow pow pow shoot all the gangsters like clint eastwood, but in real life you firstly shit yourself and secondly hand over your money, and then afterwards call the police. Whether you're a defund the police LARPer or a gun nut rightoid, this is what you'll actually do what it's actually real and happening. We should restrict any high stakes activity to those who are properly skilled and qualified. Life or death fights are very high stakes indeed and so the most sensible thing to do is leave if you can, be as peaceful as possible if you can't, and let the professional fighters come in to deal with the problem when it's possible (that is, the police).

>>31471 The reason those laws are criticized by leftifts is because they are deliberately worded to give property owners a free pass to murder you for "trespassing" their property. It has nothing to do with self-defense in the original sense of the word. Get fucking real, dude.

>>31475 This thread is /pol/-tier ragebait. There's no point in answering OP, it will only encourage him to make more threads like this.

>>31475 people are not sitting around plotting to murder people in self defence, you have to give people the benefit of acting in good faith even if they own property

Leftists are profoundly broken and inferior people. You can use their opinions as a guide for what's wrong and ultimately unethical because of adverse secondary effects. I'm not talking about social Democrats that want new bike lanes or whatever of course.

>>31475 German self-defense laws are basically stand-your-ground-everywhere. And you are confusing those with those particularly american castle doctrine laws.

>>31501 Hence why I called it a made-up scenario in OP's head. >They always want to punish some one for defending themself against violence and make laws against it I have literally never heard this being a topic.

>>31502 >I have literally never heard this being a topic. Really?

>>31502 >I have literally never heard this being a topic. True, because it's not necessary since court rulings are usually pro-perp in these kinds of scenarios. "Adequate force" only benefits the aggressors.

>>31502 It becomes an argument because it's a scary thing that people feel powerless over. If you address that base emotional reason for such threads they quickly change the topic.

>>31502 ? some leftist came in and said stand your ground laws are invented so property owners can murder people. you just don't like the way i worded it 'punishing people for defending themself' and prefer wording the victim as a privileged class, premediating violence

I don't know and have not come across that, but I try to avoid politics.