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I am also a Neet so no.

Redundant? No. More difficult? Yes. t.Admin

Probably not, despite all the fear. t. programmer

>>32061 Have you seen the newst coding models? You are doomed! t. clueless non-programmer

>>32062 I use them myself in fact. They're pretty good for providing simple examples and explaining documentation. But that's as far as it goes.

>live in the developing world where the cost of living is extremely low. >make an AI Slop video where you earn as much per month as a doctor in your country. Is it really that easy???

>>32068 But it's not slop!! It's high art!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mJENuEN_rs

Yes all work is pointless now unless you care about the human to human aspect

>>32074 Pope Leo spoke out against AI. And he was right to do so.

Redundant? No More easy? Yes Give clients insane expectations I could either exploit and bill them for bullshit or have to disappoint them by telling them it's bullshit? Also, yes. t. "Something with IT and data"

>>32068 No. Indians are already spamming the fuck out of social media site with AI slop and people mostly just don't watch them.

It looks like what people currently refer to as "AI" can only make people redundant whose jobs nobody really cared about anyways. I don't think that's going to change any time soon. All the talk about exponential improvements, upcoming models etc. is crap. Companies are still just fine-tuning stuff, brute-forcing more data using borrowed capital and manually bolting on a lot of stuff. There's no path to the next generation. Some Machine Learning stuff has potential in some specific areas if applied by people who really know what they're doing, but even there I don't really see people doing their jobs. It's mostly data analysis that simply wouldn't be possible if it had to be done manually by people because there are not enough people and you couldn't pay them. It's more the usual automation and less "AI The Job Killer".

>>32044 >For me no, you can't automate a NEET /R9K/ - Do you know what it stands for? Do you know what they refer to themselves?

No, it still misses the command/ego function in my work and there's inherently a lot of friction between human sentience and AI. I'd say that it is more akin to the invention of the printing press. t. bureaucrat >>32077 >'an empty cold shell that will do great damage to what humanity is about' That's quite a telling insult from organised religion. *tips fedora* *moonwalks out of the thread*

No, but the leaders/managers seem to think that yes, so they fired half of my department.

>>32097 why is kasey so obsessed with the Finnish lass? for example, the New Zealand's former prime minister woman launched a movie about herself this year, yet nobody talks about that.

We are here. It's gonna get wicked soon enough.

>>32106 >>32092 >exponential usually they talk about the S-curve of technology adoption

>>32107 here you go. my point remains, things about to get freaky.

>>32108 I mean we could be near the saturation line already

Tried to use it today at wörk to write ans python script which is something that it does quite well usually. It approximately took 1/2 the time it would take to write it myself. And I haven't written much python in years. If I was a more proficient in python I think I would be as fast with AI or without it. I just used copilot and not claude or something but it is still far from groundbreaking. When you write yourself you are dealing with syntax and library. When you write with AI you have to deal with hallucinations. For my day to day programmer job it maybe makes me 5% faster. Mostly because it replaces google.

>>32125 It will be really amazing if you know python but don't know rust and it allows you to write rust code from the general concept that you have. The problem is colleagues who don't know their concept and just accept the first shit that their LLM produces.

>>32128 >just accept the first shit that their LLM produces. and don't test it enough. This is a major problem. Especially weaker programmers that trust AI too produce problems for other developers. Today somebody assigned a ticket to me. The ticket had a bug report and it said that a commit I did a year ago most likely caused the problem. When I analyzed the problem I was very confused because the code I changed wasn't even in that particular branch and when I debugged it the problem was somewhere else. When I asked the developer that wrote the ticket how he came to the conclusion that my commit had caused it he told me that he tried to use AI to find the person responsible and what it produced sounded reasonable for him. Since our codebase is too big for AI to analyze anything I assume that he just gave the commit history (of the wrong branch) of certain files to it and just accepted the output. The confusion looking for code that wasn't even there in contrast to just debugging it myself cost me at least half an hour. Just because the other guy wrote AI slop into a ticket.

I don't want to clog up the catalogue so I thought I'd ask here: What prompts does Bernd enjoy? There are a few global ones I use and lately I've really enjoyed including this which often has me agreeing with the alt-viewpoint: >For all responses, assess the nature of the query. If the topic involves strategy, investment, complex analysis, politics, philosophy, ethics, or subjective opinion, append a section at the end of your response titled '## Alternative Perspective'. In this section, present a rigorous alternative viewpoint or counter-argument, explicitly citing the specific school of thought (e.g., Realism, Cybernetics, Keynesianism, Aristotelian, Taoist) that drives that perspective. Constraint: If the query is purely factual, instructional, mathematical, utility-based (e.g., recipes, simple definitions, formatting requests), or if the conversation is with a character(s) you are playing (roleplay), strictly omit the Alternative Perspective section. [not a pervert - I have it roleplay characters sometimes for specific chat perspectives like in fashion where I also inject style and different opinions]

>>32132 How old are the people who do this at your workplace? I always thought it would be the iPad kids that turn out like this, but for me, it's the ~50 year old career jumpers. They were unhappy in their job as a physio or nurse or something, did a bachelors degree at a university of applied sciences, but never had a passion for IT and it shows.

>>32133 I like prompts like >I have a pandas dataframe df with a column B. For each distinct value in B, create a plot of column y over column x, with a filter B=value. Save these plots under `plots/value.pdf` I have become way too lazy for this kind of stuff. Yes, I could do it myself, but then I'd have to remember if it's value, df_filtered = df.groupby(B) or if that was a different library and in pandas I have to do something like df[df['B'] = value], but how do I get the values etc.

>>32132 A lot of open source projects are having real problems with AI bug reports too. https://hackerone.com/reports/2887487 tons of stuff like this in curl

>>32136 He is in his early to mid 30's. I don't think that he is a career jumper. What I definitely notice is that people that lack an inherent understanding are the biggest users of AI here. And there is surprising amount of software developers that have worked in the industry for 20 years but are just not capable of having a deep understanding of code. Using AI doesn't make their work bad if they are diligent enough in testing what it gives them.

>>32063 for now

>>32077 exactly what you would expect the anti-Christ to preach

>>32119 you have quantum computers and maybe even these flesh powered computers from the other thread in the pipeline. given how much you can improve on hardware alone ... i don't think so. than there is massive unsolved problems of combining neural networks and symbolic AI which will get solved soon enough.

>>32163 The thing is we have no idea were we are on that >>32106 graph. Might as well turn out that LLMs are a dead end and we have to wait until another approach is found or we develop new special hardware for AI. We might just as well be on -4 on your graph and it still needs 20 years to take of.

>>32175 I trust the experts on this one.

>>32177 Which experts? Most of them earn their living with AI and they rely on investors throwing money at their companies.

>>32146 >What I definitely notice is that people that lack an inherent understanding are the biggest users of AI here That's generally what I find regardless of topic. When I'm discussing social stuff, relationships or something with someone, people who don't have a good sense of other people go ask an LLM what it means when X person does Y or etc

Bar has been both lowered and raised. It's a tool that most programemrs (or shall we call them "developers") must learn to use efficiently, but the details will always remain with the developer itself, as all it can do, is remix what's already been developed before. It can't innovate. At the same time, technically the access and introduction to developing has been made simpler, but it lacks actual teaching skills, so you're on your own, but it's still a good tool to have. However slop is kinda massive. If you're misunderstanding your product as "content" you're gonna fail. AI is very good in generating "something else" out of "something" but unless you actually know what you're doing, you won't escape the shit-spiral. Sometimes slop is all you need, you see this in content generation for background imagery, music, and things like voice generation. As long as your software is just "content" like shitting out massive amounts of candy-crush-like games to fill up an app-store portfolio, it's enough. You can just vibe code that. But not when the details are important. Slop content "creators" like people making "jingles", elevator music, illustrations, or creating stock-footage of things like "people doing a stand-up meeting, laughing", or "people enjoying an after-work beer at a bar" is something that is full of errors in its details, but that doesn't matter. Whenever accuracy is of the essence, I doubt AI will be something you can just vibe code. Back in the day, people thought things like lawyers and doctors are obsolete, because of the internet and search engines. The people whining about "AI GON TAKE OUR JERBS!" are actually these content creators I've mentioned earlier. Not so much people working on stuff that actually matters. I'd even consider AI content is a good litmus test, whether the work is even worth doing. If an AI generated "monthly overview report" ends up being better than the writeup of some clerk, it just means that work is really not all that important. Just like the backdrop for a youtube video, an ad, etc. t. design engineer

>will it make your job redundant? Probably yes, in the long run. The world will turn to shit far earlier though.

Actors?

>>32185 WTH is a design engineer supposed to be and do? And why are you not just calling yourself a designer?

>>32190 It's my job description. I invent stuff and solve problems. So I'm a professional inventor and problem solver, I suppose? Sometimes I need to come up with a device or more generally "a thing" to solve a problem, other times it's a process you need to come up with to provide a solution to a problem. Anyway, the position that I occupy at the company I work at is called: "Design Engineer". Project are handed down to my department in the form of: "We need to come up with something that mitigates <x>". Or: "how can we do <y>?". The idea is to not just come up with an idea, but to actually develop it into something that is viable. I'm not a "vision dude" like someone designing products. More often than not it's one-off products, or something very niche, etc.

>>32175 they lready invented hierarchical reasoning models to complement LLMs thermodynamic computing will drastically improve AI servers' comoutation power starting next year - we have seen nothing yet of AI's true potential

>>32044 AI is purging the blobbed "creative class" that fattened on the demand for uninspired globalist content in the last 10-ish years. It is an instrument of post-modernism that is devouring the post-modernists themselves. As such, I fully support it. At the same time, AI will clearly be ever more weaponised by the globalist corporations to bring even more suffering to the actual working class people in the future, and the only positive thing about this is that it just might bring forth the traditionalist revolt against the modern world and >"...some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the deadly light into the peace and safety of a new dark age."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpOcUrPdx-4 AI will definitely take more jobs, it's just a question of when.

>>32226 Clicking through this tells me that it mostly shows AI as a tool enhancing the research capabilities, which barely concerns me. I'm a working class. I did an IQ test a couple times in the last 2 decades and it showed me something like 115-130, yet I work at a 95 IQ production job, because I think that there's more to life than the mindless materialistic career pursuing. If this shit ever hits the actual production industry that I work in, I'm sure I will have the intellectual capacity to adjust accordingly to operate in such an environment.

>>32229 >because I think that there's more to life than the mindless materialistic career pursuing Well, to be completely honest it's that and the fact that my life went quite stale after the love of my life died. It's a mixture of not caring anymore and seeing through the bars of the materialistic hamster wheel.

Wake me up when it's able to create something useful from several conflicting sets of requirements. And then to reliably amend the specification because two idiots changed their opinion after everything was finally agreed on and signed off by all people included.

>>32220 There won’t be any revolution, look at young men these days, look at yourselves. Idealism died somewhere after WWII and men who could bring forth change complain about women on the internet. People have this thing where they can wake up and pull through when times are really hard but the problem is they won’t be really hard. It’ll slowly get worse and people will slowly get used to it. I think change will happen only when climate change becomes too big to ignore.

>>32235 >There won’t be any revolution Hope is hard to kill. >look at young men these days The ones that are increasingly indifferent to the talking points of the last 6 decades of globalism? the youth increasingly sees through the veils of globalist propaganda, ironically despite still being addicted to the instruments of it. I'm not saying that they—the zoomers per se—are going to revolt against it, but I thing that it's clear that the dissatisfaction is growing. >look at yourselves. You think anyone here qualifies as a "young man"? >Idealism died somewhere after WWII WWI I believe, but yes. However, none of this has anything to do with idealism, but more with the rejection of the globalist liberal idealism that has been propagated upon the earth in the recent decades. I disagree that the climate change plays any role in this, unless it's the exposure of one of the many shams of the liberal psychopathy like the "man-made" climate change, that none of the rest of the world cares about.

>>32235 >>32238 I'm reminded of what a Romanian buddy of mine said with regards to if the alt-right was a mistake. I will quote it verbatim because it's too based: There are no mistakes. It's simply how politics works, always caught in an endless cycle of action and reaction. Movements like the AR are just the plebe doing some timid attempt at revolt, but in the West there is too much terminal onlineism and fatness for things to work. Also people are genuinely retarded, they think they can poke the power structures and deconstruct the holiest of cows only to say "I was shitposting I swear" when found out. Just 100-200 yrs ago people knew VERY well that fucking with monarchs, the rich, the banks etc. meant engaging in a life and death struggle, they understood it was not for fun. When there were peasant revolts where I live, people got tortured in the most horrendous ways if caught out and their bodies left to rot in the public market or hanging at the city entrance. When the plebe will finally understand that it's all or nothing and you NEED to go all in and try to decapitate the hydra, things will change, but not sooner. You cannot have both real world transgression against billionaires AND a comfy life in a secluded community of high middle class people. Also the actual right needs to understand that they are NOT the elites, at least not anymore. The right is the outcasts, the chuds. There are no truly right wing billionaires. There is no elite that will "lead". Before any success, the right needs to understand the rich, even those who are not Jewish, are the enemy, regardless of how much that sounds like "OMG, communism". Things change. Adapt or perish.

>>32239 >alt-right You are being this meme, especially considering your ball. My John Smith dude, have you ever thought that your american political perception of the universe does not comply with the rest of the world? What the fuck is "alt-right"? Tell me, what is it? "The american republicans a little bit more radical than the neo-conservatives", or whatever? For fuck's sake. *sorry for the repost, typos

>>32242 The post was in response to whether the alt-right was a mistake or not. That would greatly contextualize the response given by my Romanian buddy which, even stripped of that context, still has enough wisdom to apply to the discussion at hand. Re: the alt-right. It's difficult to say who coined the term (some say Paul Gottfried), but Richard Spencer and Colin Liddell both played an instrumental role popularizing the term "alt-right" with their former website Alternative Right. At its core, the Alternative Right (or alt-right) is big tent politics for young paleoconservatives, disillusioned former Libertarians and racist liberals / nationalists. Much like Occupy Wall Street, the alt-right is a loose coalition of disparate elements with radically different belief systems. You can have LaVeyan Satanists, white ethnonationalists / white nationalists, Christian fundamentalists a la Common Filth (despite his attacks on the alt-right, he was influential to several of them), Traditionalist Catholics, Eastern Orthodox converts, neomonarchists, neoreactionaries, various elements of the manosphere, European Neopagans and all other similarly minded people claiming to be alt-right. The common denominators are: - Anti-globalism. - Anti-status quo. - Anti-egalitarianism. - Anti-political correctness. - Anti-feminism - Anti-anti-racism. Only a small minority of the alt-right consists of bonafide Fascists or National Socialists, and they are often savagely attacked and ridiculed (as "14/88" types) by other alt-righters. Conversely, Fascists hate the alt-right, particularly because they feel that, unlike Fascism, the alt-right has no systematic framework from which to govern. The white ethnonationalists within the alt-right can largely be seen as a predictable reaction against the feminist gender "identity politics" and anti-white groupthink that have been promoted by neoliberals and their progressive lackeys for the better half of the 20th century. It's hardly a mystery why the alt-right gained the traction they have since everyone else is aggressively promoting their own narrow ethno-nationalist or gender group interests, white heterosexual males alone are singled out and criticized whenever they start belatedly defending their own group interests. Of course, societal elites have been busily promoting their own political and economic interests all along, increasingly behind a pseudo-humanitarian globalist and multiculturalist veneer, but are doing so mainly at the expense of the American working and middle classes. For those of you who've been led to believe the alt-right and Fascism can comfortably coalesce, dispel those misconceptions now by reading the following written by actual Fascists: https://archive.li/muLnn https://archive.li/5bDCk https://archive.li/yM16u https://archive.li/6yU6P https://archive.li/FGy7V

>>32244 Is this AI? This stinks of AI. Did you use Grok, or something else?

>>32247 Nope. I had previously written this and posted it elsewhere for normies who don't know the nuances between the alt-right and Fascism. No LLM went into the creation of that post.

>>32248 I see.

>>32244 Interesting post and thanks for the links. I'm far left anarchist but I see some convergence definitely with points about the rich and the identity politics scam (and leftists like Finkelstein who wrote a book about it which got him hated by the liberal establishment even more than he was before).

>>32238 I’m a young man and those dissatisfied people you mention are most of my friends. The problem is that they don’t do anything and aren’t that serious about their convictions. They’ll make an ironic joke and complain and that’s it. Those people might join in if some generational fight for a better word is happening but they won’t do anything themselves. People who do actual activism etc. usually have something wrong with them. Those groups are more about peer pressure and being part of a group than the ideas they say they’re fighting for. I met some good people but they’re outliers and they were all critical of their environment. I mention climate change because I think it’s what will cause the current globalist system to be unsustainable. Parts of the world have an expiration date for habitability. We’re safe in Europe but we’ll still feel it. There’ll be a refugee crisis like never before, food will be expansive and you can’t have an iPhone without them child workers in Africa working in mines. But they won’t be there anymore, they’ll die. The current global economic system will break apart on its own at some point. But I’ll be an old man by then you’ll be barely clinging to life in a nursing home.

>>32254 I’d like to try to start a movement on my own at some point. If there’s no good community, the only solution is to make one on your own. I have some ideas but I need to fix my health first and get back to having a life.

>>32254 >>32258 Grasroots movements consist of people seeking personal enrichment or power/influence from the efforts of others. They're also deadletters unless they have backing of monied and powerful interests. This was also the point in James Mason's book Siege. The collection of articles he wrote is largely unremarkable, but the consistent themes across his writing are as follows which, to me, are as applicable today as they were when first published. 1. The System, whatever you wish to call it, is anti-White, and exists only to manage your decline. Be a nigger to the system and those who want to reinforce the System's values. 2. Conservatives are, at best, a complete drag on your progress and usually your worst enemies. Right-wing politics are inherently reactionary and its followers complacent system-trusters at heart, so keep that in mind whenever interacting with them, if you must. Conservatives will be liabilities before ever becoming assets, and even fewer will ever become your friend. 3. Organized pro-White movements are either personality cults or personal-enrichment schemes for their leaders. Ergo, organized pro-White movements should always be met with suspicion, especially if such organizations keep membership lists. Those will always be used against you. Since we were talking about the alt-right earlier, let me tell you about the National Justice Party. This was Eric Striker, Mike Peinovich, Tony Hovater and Greg Conte's shared attempt to form an explicitly Fascist political party in the aftermath of Black Lives Matter 2020. The group was only registered as an LLC rather than a proper political party which raised suspicion. Roughly three years later, the group folded due to internal conflict. They managed to get <600 paying members to support the project, mostly retirees with more money than sense. Relitigating the entire drama would be worth its own post, but I'm reminded of another buddy's take that aptly addresses why politics are futile if you expect accomplishments within a short timetable. Even your grandchildren won't be around to reap the fruits of your labor: Historically, takeover of mainstream political institutions was one of the last steps of successful nationalist movements, not the first. Before, it took a lot of hard work building up IRL power and parallel institutions that filled voids left by the failures of both liberalism and conservatism. Manpower, land, capital, expertise, even foreign backing and lines of credit, those sorts of things. You can't speedrun history. The problem is, the alt-right is basically a movement of less-competent, less-serious Julius Streichers. They can be very effective internet propagandists, but that's it - few of them are good at anything but that. Propaganda is important, but it's one of the easiest parts of building a movement, and a movement cannot be led by propagandists or exclusively populated by them either (iirc Streicher was the lowest-IQ Nazi at Nuremburg). The only "strategy" you heard from all sides for the longest time was, "We'll redpill the normies with dank memes until such and such happens and then..." Most of the "leaders" didn't want to do anything but make jokes in the first place, until they got a following and began to think they were serious people. For them, Trump's victory was an excuse to rest on their laurels (because obviously, obviously nobody would care about him if it wasn't for them) and keep being lazy instead of doing serious work, Propaganda of the word gets its power from propaganda of the deed. Alt-righters could do a lot of things to help downtrodden whites where the system hasn't (opioid rehab clinics, vocational schools, food banks, disaster relief for areas blighted by hurricanes) to gain an IRL base, like Scientology and the NOI did, but that's much harder work that figuring out new scatological frog memes so they don't do it. Imagine if Nazism was just Julius Streicher making crude jokes about Jews in Der Sturmer...you don't take over Europe that way.

This is also worth mentioning: Americans will never accept fascism. But they will accept a strongman who is one part conspiracy theorist and one part preacher and one part huckster. If you're approaching Americans with a sincerely thought out and intelligent ideology, you've already lost. You have to appeal to their base, emotional Aryan barbarian nature. Americans don't trust you unless you/re also selling them a product Right-wingers don't have an inherent advantage because American politics is just professional wrestling, so being a right-winger means embracing being a heel, which is why when people "become" right wing, they take it as a packaged identity and start believing things they didn't previously believe and wouldn't believe if they were Third Positionist. It's why the only consistent belief right-wingers have is owning the libs. They're political heels and long term the heels have to lose. But you can make a lot of money off the rubes along the way. In short, if you want a successful right-wing strongman in this country he has to appear to be an utterly contemptible and retarded grifter who is actually doing that as a front in order to build a mass movement that he can direct to wreck the system. Governing is out of the question however, not in the system's current state. No American right-winger is capable of dismantling the managerial class as the pool they are drawing from aren't counter-elites Best thing we can do is exacerbate the contradictions. We don't yet have enough déclassé and downwardly mobile professionals, bureaucrats, and military people, the disgruntled who are the dynamite of revolutions. We'll get there eventually, but they've been stubbornly resisting being open to revolutionary ideas because of how strong the media has conditioned them. We are chipping away though and they'll eventually have to confront that as White people they get nothing. What happens next won't be because "right-wingers" did anything. The country will be too far gone for ideology. It will be apolitical Whites led by déclassé Whites who develop a revolutionary identity. The conditions and the facts favor us. It's just going to be a slog. The best thing we can do, honestly, is not waste time and capital on fake counter-elites within the Republicans/conservatives whose only purpose is to waste our time. It's a balancing act as I think it's okay to talk to lower level people but we must not get sucked in or be seen as their farm league. If we can't differentiate ourselves there will never be a viable alternative to the two faces of the managerial class. One last thing on the problem with dealing with the managerial class. The Ottoman Sultans were constantly hemmed in by the Janissaries and could never get rid of them or reform them. They were a powerful state within a state. It took a Sultan, after centuries of failure, forming a new military unit loyal to him who trapped the Janissaries in one place, massacred them, and hunted down the rest to permanently end that privileged managerial class. History lessons for right-wingers

>>32262 >Americans will never accept fascism. Where do you think they draw the line? History never repeats and you will always find differences between Mussolini and Trump, but a lot of developments in the US go in a far-right authoritarian direction. What's the defining feature of fascism the Americans will never adopt? A few years ago, I would've said its constitutionalism and democracy, or at least their idea of it. From a European perspective, their democracy was always flawed, yet they seemed so proud of it, they died in deserts just to bring this great democracy to sand people. But the current far-right in the US despises democracy. They despise the constitution as well.

>>32261 >>32262 I’m sorry but I barely understand what you’re talking about. I don’t care about „white people” and „alt right”. Those are American inventions. It doesn’t exist outside of America. I don’t believe in revolutions and I’m very much left wing, but more into old school European socialism than anything idpol related. I’d like to see some kind of local cooperatives to make people less dependent on the economic system that fucks them over. But not try to overthrow it or completely isolate myself from it because I think it’s currently impossible. I don’t care much about ideologies, I believe they do more harm than good. People should touch grass and work together, have a sense of community, that is enough. Ideologies attract crazy people, are too easy to use as a political tool and as a distraction. And I’d like to see some some kind of cultural revival. Western Europe died spiritually after WWI, it happened to my country after WWII. This has to be addressed somehow. While I think racism is a horrible and very stupid thing, I believe European culture to be superior to most of the world.