/int/ - International

Technically yes and it worked too. The Norwegian labour party joined the communist international, they left when Lenin forced an authoritarian party structure and banned syndicalism. Scandinavian social democracy by the way was completely syndicalist so incompatible with marxist leninism.

>>32464 USSR and any East block country had no communism. Communism has no classes. In USSR and East block countries were classes (people under law).

>Was Communism ever attempted in your country? Not that I'm aware of. But famous communists lived and met here.

Australia No

>>32469 1- the third international was top down disbanded to make them not seem beholden to the USSR, they didnt organically leave 2- you are using bullshit words like syndicalism and marxist leninism and scandavian social democracy that mean whatever you want them to mean

>>32502 Clueless points

Communism in the Soviet Occupation Zone of central Germany was so great that the Socialist regime needed to built border fortifications with mines, tank barriers and guards with shoot-to-kill-orders to keep their population in.

>>32523 And then David Hasselhoff and his angels of capitalism swooped in and Germany has lived happily ever since.

>>32525 West Germany wasn't perfect, but much better off during 1949-1990 and after 1990.

>>32526 That's because people of Western Germany could get a money credit, but people of Eastern Germany - can't. So - Western Germany developed faster and got all nishes of things. On a short distance capitalism is always better than communism, but on the long distance - you see...

>>32527 Also because Russians and Commies are retards.

>>32527 >but on the long distance Communist countries rarely go long distance before they collapse or aren't actually Communist anymore (China).

>>32527 >On a short distance capitalism is always better than communism, but on the long distance - you see... heheh

>>32527 The issue isn't capitalism. Its the people running it.

I dont wanna to talk about it.

>>32529 >>32530 As I said - USSR was a dictature, not a communist country. Example of a communist society - Amishes (no classes and no people under law there).

>>32543 Do you want to be Amish?

>>32543 What's Communist about private property and participating in a free market?

>>32543 Yes. USSR wanted to use the term communism/socialism because it was thought of as something good by large masses. It's the same reason NDSAP used the term socialism: not because they were actual socialists, but because socialism had a good name. USA also wanted USSR to be thought of as communism, so it would ruin the good name of communism.

>>32556 Retard.

>>32556 The USSR started out as legitimately communist with figures like Lenin and Trotsky doing the revolution. But the fatal flaw of communism forced them to be somewhat dictatorial. Not everyone wants communism, and thus they had to fight a civil war against the whites and continue to look for and suppress dissent. They set up a dictatorial apparatus. Then a figure like Stalin comes in. Those who are mainly motivated by attaining power for themselves are likely to be more effective at attaining power for themselves than those who have some other goal. And thus the whole communist idea takes a backseat to the main thing being a dictator running a dictatorial regime. You can see parallels in how the NSDAP went from their initial phase to Strasserism to Röhm's SA to Hitler and the SS. But their goals were never as noble as those of Lenin and Trotsky in the first place. And it's also how the USA is on the course to becoming a fascist dictatorship. No system is safe from being taken over by selfish autocrats. It is the responsibility of the citizenry to perpetually struggle against this and keep their system running without succumbing to this corruption. Democracies and social market economies are most suitable for this, but they aren't perfect and not immune to autocratic takeover.

>>32554 You can have your private property, but you can't use your private property for a market (because then will be some more rich people and they will be under law).

>>32563 The Amish participate in the free market.

>>32561 Russia\USSR was MUCH less developed than USA in the 1910-1920s. It's like to run without legs with someone with legs. And also the 2WW, no credit system, bad wheather if compare with USA. The Cold War race was predictable.

>>32566 They are religious, so - their rich people don't want to dominate to others (work harder) inside their group.

>>32567 What you're saying has basically nothing to do with the post you replied to.

>>32569 It's the answer why Soviet government people were lazy and dumb - they already knew that they will lose to USA.

>>32570 I didn't ask the question why – and I didn't make the assertion that they're lazy and dumb. In fact I would argue that characters like Berya were neither.

>>32575 You wrote "But the fatal flaw of communism forced them to be somewhat dictatorial.". I answered why it was forced to be dictatorial. Stalin showed some independence (as it was in reality - who knows), but Khruschev already was a traitor of own country. In Stalin years were high classes, but mostly they were scary of the work class. So, it was a dictatorship, but kinda good working. But in Khrushev years high classes got power and didn't scary the work class anymore. So - after this the country was lazy dictatorship with high classes (under law) and low classes.

>>32543 It's funny that the only people capable of enforcing some sort of tangible equality among men are the ones who think the least of material comfort. Truly, there must be a lesson in there.

There were communist movements (though not all MLs) and were utilized by other factions to achieve specific goals, then got crushed, then their history of communist ideals were all but erased from the national myth as they were enshrined as heroes for their achievements. This includes one of the most praised presidents in Mexican history who was an ML. But, even back in his time presiding, was already being revisioned by reactionaries. >>32533 The same can be said of all ideologies and forms of government, isn't it? You should critique ideologies by how they handle the bad actors, the worst of actors, even; rather than the prescriptive "everyone perfectly fulfills their roles as I think they should" retarded nonsense. In this rubric, even soviet "communism" was better than post-cold war capitalism has been. It's also one of the basic tenets of most communist currents: it's the people who most wish to do wrong and abuse powers and privileges the people who will work the hardest to get them, so it's better to mitigate those powers and privileges from existing in the first place. Cue the elimination of social classes and private property, which did exist in the USSR. You also have to think really hard about what it means for a system to "work", like, the definition of "working" for a capitalist and a communist movement are going to be completely different, and it's perfectly feasible to say that both actually "work" perfectly towards opposing goals.

>>32594 There's a big difference between material comfort and luxuries. But also that's BS, last I heard the Amish are rife with domestic abuse with women and children seen as second and third class citizens and most definitely unequal in political rights. Plus, despite the stereotype, Amish men will constantly break the rules of their society for convenience: like owning bank accounts with credit cards, and even cellphones to conduct their businesses with the outside world. Again, only men are allowed to do this.

Poland Yes Yes

>>32601 >Amish men will constantly break the rules of their society for convenience: like owning bank accounts with credit cards, and even cellphones to conduct their businesses with the outside world. Again, only men are allowed to do this. Doesn't sound like a privilege. Do you just automatically assume this is a form of exploitation? How rich do you think is the richest Amish man, compared to the poorest of them?

>>32616 Proofs?

>>32711 From 1939 to 2004 Poland operated a cashless society.

>>32719 Got me there m8.