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What is metaphysical even? For me it was always questions like the universe being discrete vs continuous and probabilistic vs deterministic.

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>>8921 Well, metaphysics of religion can be studied on, surprise-surprise, a meta level. At the same time every faith has its own set of morals and ethics, so these are more related to the internal theology of a particular religion. In short, you're simply interested in philosophy, and not theology.

>>8933 Theology doesn’t mean much to me, you’re right. I think it rather distracts us from the divine, I’m more interested in how I can bring my own soul closer to God through accepting and practicing certain metaphysical and mystic truths.

>>8940 I'm on the same path. I would really like to know what mystics have experienced and how to get there. It's the only really interesting thing to do here imo. Currently I'm looking into Gnosticism and Jung.

>>8952 Knowledge is good, but some part of you already knows the truth.

>>8984 Yeah, I know it's found within, but it's hiding pretty well.

>god is necessary for morality, but not science <god is necessary for science, but not morality The second option is very rare these days and might be seen as an anachronism, but it was more common in the past, and it's solid.

A god isn't necessary for Morality.

>>8989 It is for objective morality at least.

>>8991 Not really. Japan is an atheist society with objective Morality. And they are much more moral than the US.

>>8952 I think the best is having some kind of teacher, even if it’s only a book. From what I’ve gathered the key path is a mix of prayer, contemplation and meditation to basically let go of your ego (worldly matters) to fully enter the divine. And it’s true that it’s already inside of us, but most us are surrounded by some kind of veil that doesn’t let us see clearly. There also have been mystics who had visions, but if you’re not in the luck of having those, they’re not really an option. A pragmatic approach would be to learn different prayer and meditation practices, all religions have those one can profit from. For example in Orthodox Christianity you have hesychasm.

>>8993 >Japan is an atheist society No, it is not, lol, wtf are you talking about.

>>8991 Morality dictated by a non-human entity isn't any more objective than morality dictated by a human entity.

>>9047 I'm oversimplifying things but for all intents and purposes it is. Most Japanese people are not practicing Buddhists or followers of any other type of religion. Most Japanese people would be described as spiritual at best in a similar way to the Chinese(the Chinese are meant to be an Atheist society but still follow some traditions and superstitions particularly in rural areas). Anyway, the Japanese system of Morality doesn't come from religion but from Society instead. In fact in many ways that is the case with our own society as well. So for example, the Bible is quite clear on what should be done those who have sex outside of wedlock and men who sleep with men. They are to be put to death. But how many Christians these days preach that?

>>9050 >So for example, the Bible is quite clear on what should be done those who have sex outside of wedlock and men who sleep with men. They are to be put to death. But how many Christians these days preach that? The Mosaic law only applies to Jews according to the NT

>>9069 Where does it say that? I'm not a Christian so I don't know these things. But still. People don't live their lives according to the Bible, they fit the bible into their own lives or they even just ignore it.

>>9070 I was raised Christian and it's the whole idea of the bible. A lot of stuff in the New Testament (the Jesus part) directly references and contradicts/updates the Old Testament. Have you heard "an eye for an eye"? Have you also heard about "turning the other cheek"? The latter is a direct update to the former.

>>9071 Where does it update the parts that I mentioned?

>>9072 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_and_the_woman_taken_in_adultery >In the passage, Jesus was teaching in the Second Temple after coming from the Mount of Olives. A group of scribes and Pharisees confronts Jesus, interrupting his teaching. They bring in a woman, accusing her of committing adultery, claiming she was caught in the very act. They tell Jesus that the punishment for someone like her should be stoning, as prescribed by Mosaic Law.[4][5][6] Jesus begins to write something on the ground using his finger; when the woman's accusers continue their challenge, he states that the one who is without sin is the one who should cast the first stone at her. The accusers depart, realizing not one of them is without sin either, leaving Jesus alone with the woman. Jesus asks the woman whether anyone has condemned her, and she answers no. Jesus says that he too does not condemn her and tells her to go and sin no more.

>>9073 Doesn't that mean that God has to be wrong? Because he gave the laws.

>>9127 No. Jesus is god (see also: trinity). So, he just changed the laws. If you have a kid and bedtime is at 6, but as the kid grows older, you change it to 7, that doesn't mean that you were wrong before.

>>9132 What changed that would warrant an update and why has no further update been given even though obviously much more has changed between Jesus and us than Between Moses and Jesus?

>>9134 I don't know if a reason explicitly is given or discussed today, but maybe it's just "God decided that it was time". Maybe it was about Pharisees going too far or something. I'm neither religious, nor was I educated as an adult. This is all from Sunday school and religion classes in regular school.

>>9136 Well it seems like a pretty big change, also homosexuality wasn't addressed. I never went to Sunday School or anything like that, I used to think that pretty much nobody was religious as it never really came into my life or was discussed by people at school or anything.