/int/ - I fucking hate it when videogames get halberds and pikemen wrong. Civilization 5 and Stronghold do that. Not only do they literally call halberdiers pikemen, they also settle them in normal middle age when in fact they came in 13th and 14 century. On top o

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Bernd 2025-09-08 15:34:13 Nr. 9425

I fucking hate it when videogames get halberds and pikemen wrong. Civilization 5 and Stronghold do that. Not only do they literally call halberdiers pikemen, they also settle them in normal middle age when in fact they came in 13th and 14 century. On top of that, real pikemen came even later than halberds at as early as 14th century. Imbecile game devs ...

Bernd 2025-09-08 15:46:18 Nr. 9426

Yes, they often get halberds wrong. Pic 1 would be a medieval halberd. Pic 2 is what most imagine halberds to look like, but they're a very late design from the 16th/17th Century. As for Stronghold, imo its worst offense is full plate knights moving at a snail's pace.

Bernd 2025-09-08 15:55:52 Nr. 9427

>>9426 >As for Stronghold, imo its worst offense is full plate knights moving at a snail's pace. That is indeed even dumber since deathstacking is such a thing in this game since it has no collission. So basically any unit deals more damage by stacking up faster than the swordsman. A ~~pikeman~~ halberdier can also eat more arrows/bolts than a swordsman eventhough he has no shield. This game is so dumb.

Bernd 2025-09-08 17:55:20 Nr. 9433

>real pikemen came even later than halberds at as early as 14th century so it took mankind 3oo years to put the spearhead on a longer stick?

Bernd 2025-09-08 18:08:34 Nr. 9434

>>9433 Nah there were pikemen in ancient times but they werent a thing in middle age until swiss mercenaries in 14th century that was my point.

Bernd 2025-09-08 18:19:25 Nr. 9436

>>9434 Pike formations require complex drill, obviously they existed in antiquity but after that they didn't reappear until the Late Middle Ages.

Bernd 2025-09-08 18:24:29 Nr. 9438

>>9436 Meant for >>9433

Bernd 2025-09-08 18:40:07 Nr. 9439

>>9436 >>9438 caracole tactics was used to defeat pikemen by reiters and such

Bernd 2025-09-08 19:03:01 Nr. 9441

>>9439 The flaws in the Swiss tactics quickly became apparent when they tried to expand into Italy. However, it was more than enough to repel old-fashioned feudal armies at the time.

Bernd 2025-09-08 23:56:27 Nr. 9455

Stronghold left my young childhood brain with long lasting mental scars. For a long time I thought pikes were halbreds and then even when I learnt that wasn't the case there was still this nagging thought in the back of my head that would keep saying that pikes were halbreds. I should sue.

Bernd 2025-09-09 01:07:18 Nr. 9457

>>9439 The English also defeated the Scottish pikes by weakening it with Longbowmen and then exploiting that weakness with cavalry. But sometimes terrain meant that wasn't possible and so the Scots would win. That's probably part of why Swiss Pike men couldn't expand into Italy like >>9441 said.

Bernd 2025-09-09 07:23:15 Nr. 9482

>>9457 Mostly it was lack of cavalry (with the Po Valley being ideal terrain for them) and lack of cannon. Charles the Bold used English Longbowmen against the Swiss in the Burgundian Wars and they weren't at all effective.

Bernd 2025-09-09 07:34:32 Nr. 9483

>>9482 It's hard to say. It doesn't seem like long bowmen were a major part of his army and I can't find much about how they actually were employed or what they did.

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